#25880
    vienna2001
    Participant
    @vienna2001

    I can’t believe the number of photography courses which still want you to shoot black and white film and develop it yourself.

    I have no objection to b&w and all it entails but time should be spent on composition and exposure, not mixing chemicals.

    Digital, with its instant feedback and dirt cheap cost-per-shot, is the all-time killer photography teaching tool.

    Why would educators not see this?

    #48671
    electrosmack1
    Participant
    @electrosmack1

    You answered the question yourself. Anyone can push a button until they hit the right spot, but it takes skills that are learned to get the image correct. Film photography teaches you that now you only have 24 shots, instead of how ever many you have on your memory card. So, you’ll try your best to make the best of them all.

    #48673
    Conrad S
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    Might be true that people would cheat in photoshop (as one of your respondents claimed).

    Me, I learned on a film camera… a 35mm with manual focus and “auto” aperture/shutter, switchable to manual. I always chose manual, made a bunch of mistakes along the way.

    I still shoot film, but when a digital camera is put in front of me, I rarely have trouble sorting it out.

    There are issues of white balance, which in film has to do with filtration based on the light source.

    There are issues of exposure, which in film has to do with metering and the values you get for different parts of the frame.

    There are issues of depth of field/focus. Shooting manually, you have to sort this all out. When you shoot digitally, or with autofocus, you pretty much know where to put the locus of your focus to get or approach the desired result, that is, if you have experience with manual.

    But you’re right that instant gratification/feedback is invaluable! Back in the day, it was called Polaroid. Pro photographers have wanted to see what they’ve got right away for decades… and it cost them a buck a shot.

    So why not digital? For one, the algorithms on today’s cameras are sooooo good that digital, in my opinion, might actually keep you from figuring it out yourself. When you’re pressed to come up with a shot that works for you based on principles of chemistry and physics, you pass through quite a bit of territory along the way. This is where you come up with styles of your own, and where the photographic principles are solidified.

    If what your camera does automatically is so much better than what you would do instinctively or based on your rudimentary understanding of the art/craft/science of photography, might that not be a hindrance to your development as a photographer?

    To my eye, photographers who have a broad and solid understanding of the principles involved in the production of an image have a much greater range than those who “trust”
    the camera to give them a “good” image. Notions of what constitutes perfection change over time, yet the algorithms that come with a given camera pretty much stay the same. My fear is that the future look of photography will be determined by camera, chip, and software makers more than by the experimenters.

    As to the the cost, education is always expensive. We can read a book for free in the library, but if we pay somebody to help us read and understand it more deeply (as in a professor), it ends up costing a ridiculous amount… yet we’ve decided in this society that it’s worth it to pay for higher education, whether it’s coming from tax dollars or out of our pockets. All I’d say is you either trust your educators or you don’t. If you don’t, bail out like I did.

    Final note: the little screen on a digital camera RARELY gives a true representation of what the final image is going to look like. If you can see in your head what your shot is going to look like on paper, that’s when you’re a photographer.

    Good luck.

    #48683
    Holly
    Participant
    @holly

    I think, they still prefer to use that type of cameras for you to learn, how to take a perfect shot with just your skills and not by how great your camera is…

    We know that non digital cameras had some problems when it comes to focus, blurring and lighting adjustments. It is just one of the things may be the school wants you to learn with. Once that you know how to do it with your old cams, it is much easier for you to do it with the digital cams.

    Plus, not all people can afford to buy a digital cameras, so what if you are stucked in the country where the price of the cameras is too much, what would you do?

    Lastly, the beauty of the picture in fine arts is not just judged by the way it looks… It is how the photographer made it a masterpiece and that is by his own skills.

    #48695
    antoni m
    Participant
    @antoni-m

    the answer is obvious to trained fotogs.

    composition is easy, exposure is best learnt by understanding zones as per ansell adams and black and white is the best teacher.

    so thats the answer for you: black and white is the best teacher.

    refer your last question about film quality vs digital that should also help you

    is this for discusion or you seriously cant fiquire it out?

    as for mixing chemicals it takes only reading the bottle and mixing with water – takes about 30 minutes to do it not an entire course

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    #48704
    [quirkish]
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    i personally love everything about the darkroom and i think a lot of other people do too. yes, technology has advanced to where it seems only natural to teach digital photography but many people would prob use some sort of photoshop. AND it would cut out the darkroom experience.

    #48706
    helmsbrother1
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    Photography is a process, not point and click, show me a pulitzer prize winning digital shot.

    #48708
    Dave
    Participant
    @dave

    Two words, Georgia O’Keef

    #48742
    Michelle
    Participant
    @michelle

    because they want to teach you how to make the chemicals to develop pictures. Many people still you use flim camaras and not digital.

    #48752
    Bad Santa
    Guest
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    the pictures are of a lot better quality when they are printed

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