cheers mate, your advice was awsome.

The noob that I am to tattoo, I didn’t realize that I wont be able to afford this for next 6 years due to my college’s financial situ.

So I am open for more ideas which are perhaps a bit smaller (shoulder /upper arm) which would also be affordable. I would still like the dragon one day but when the time and money is right for me.

i have previously thought about gettin a dragon, it just feels very powerful.

Anyhow I am in Diamond Bar, Ca. It is in LA county and very close to Orange County. Any recommendations for tattoo artists.

For a peice that extends from my shoulder to my back, how much money am I looking at. I am sure it various a lot but I am a noob to tattoo so i have no clue.

Thanks guys for the replies. I am not too big on writing, unless it is japanese or arabic.

anyhow the idea with the pheonix rising out of ashes seems terrific. anyother ideas indicative of a new beginning.