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#115898
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ArniVidar;97711 wrote:
How can getting the exact paw-print of an actual dog that lived and breathed, look like a dog’s paw gone wrong?

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Wile E Coyote couldnt have done a better job if he had done it myself…

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#113115
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ArniVidar;97411 wrote:
It could certainly work, but I’m not liking the blob on pad 1. As you say, pad 5 might be more or less doable with some creative thinking, but #1…

You think the gradient is the way to go then?

Here’s a different concept for you. May not work at all outside my brain, but:
Get the pads in solid black (no helping that with this concept), then design a grey drop-shadow, so as to make the black lift off the skin a bit. All pads would thus get MORE shading, but very light. This new drop shadow would cover the extra blob on #1 and #5, assuming that it heals relatively light.

Like I say, I’m not sure it could work, though.

I cant visualize this, I will PS it and see what it looks like.

Briscogun;97419 wrote:
That’s very feasilble. You need to look at degree of difficulty here, for sure.

When I looked at the “fingerprint” versus the tattoo, other than the fact that the individual lines on the pads were missing (which would have been a very difficult process to begin with) is that all of the extra filler from the ink was from your dogs fur on his feet, not from his pads.

So, in reality, you DO have a tattoo of his paw print, just not all the detail of the hairs between his toes and such.

What you could do, is maybe some combination of shade work as Arni suggests above, and maybe even have the little hair “marks” or “spots” or whatever you want to call them added in the spaces around and between the pads? I think that might achieve the detail you are looking for without completely re-doing the whole tattoo.

Don’t fret too much, it IS a tattoo of your dogs paw. Its just up to you how much you want it to look exactly like the print you made.

I agree, there is a fair amount of clutter from hair between the pads, mostly in the center, but the basic shapes of the pads are all wrong. Tattoo pads 2-4 are essentially just candle flame shapes, varying some. Real pad 2 is a triangle, pointing 20° to the left. Real pad 5 is more like a tear drop, as if it was falling from left to right (roughly triangular). None of these are represented in the tattoo. In the photo of a dog’s paw, you can see that particular dog has lots of hair between 3 and 4. That is where the most pad shape degradation is in my dogs’s print. So the shapes of 3 and 4 are less defined in the original, making pad 4 look wider than it probably was. In the original, pad 3 is off about 10° to the right and pad 4 is off about 5° to the left. But just as with a human fingerprint, shape and size can be distorted by things like pressure, angle etc. Thats why when you go to booking, your inked fingertips are placed just so on the card. But this paw print is genuine – not placed, set up or pressure applied uniformly. I dont really need the hair clutter reproduced but the shapes have to be as close as possible. Also notice the shape of heel pads in the photo and on that webpage – irregular and different from dog to dog which covers the issue of making slight changes in size/shape/placement of pad 1 to hide the area to the bottom and right.

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cluttered but cool design
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something rough that looks genuine as if it had been lifted out of the mud
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A dog’s paw
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http://www.bear-tracker.com/dog.html

Cornishtiger;97473 wrote:
Sorry I am so late I have been away working with the Wall of Death like you do!

Let the first tattoo heal for 8 weeks, find yourself a really good laser tech in a tattoo studio preferably.
Get two or three hits across the tattoo over 4 months and sit back and wait another 8 weeks.
You should get enough of that out in a couple of hits to let a great rather than good artists do the tattoo you wanted in the first place and the time it takes to sort the mess out will give you time to find an artist and work of at least some of his or her waiting list.

You can of course rush into getting your second choice tattoo slapped over the mistake but its a tribute to your beloved dog, so why would you?

Peace.

The last thing I want to do is sob like a school girl, “just make it better, please” and like you said, slap something else on my chest. Please correct me if I am wrong but I think this is a surgical/precision tweak rather than anything else. A little ‘rough around the edges’ is ok, it adds to its ‘authentic’ look.

mrchen;97478 wrote:
sorry for the loss of your dog…

you mentioned you didnt check the stencil, that was a mistake, when someone is putting ink in my dermal layer I make sure it is what I want…….

the hack you hired used a generic stencil and didnt even consider your paw print, this is the type of hack that permiates this industry now, he wanted his pay and didnt care about what you needed……..probably couldnt have done a decent job anyway

but you chose this hack also, it is ultimately our responsibility to locate, meet with and choose our artist.

the only thing you could do now is laser, wait 6 months and do this right

Yes, ultimately, I have no one to blame but myself since I didnt catch it in the stencil. But in my defense, I am retarded.

I also have what I call ‘expert syndrome’. Thats when someone who obviously knows what they are talking about makes a recommendation, I do a ‘well, thats good enough for me.’ and turn my brain off. I know someone that has had a lot of great lookin, intricate work done and he said this is the place he goes. So off I went. Again, is going through the time and expense of laser and starting all over again a considerably better solution that what I propose?

#112775
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ArniVidar;97342 wrote:
Well, I definitely prefer the ‘fingerprint’ style of the faint pad as it is in your design, but if all black okay then you’re in much better shape. A laser session or two, and you could just make the paw print bigger (of course, that wouldn’t exactly be your paw print either, strictly speaking) and it would incorporate the old into the new.

You should, however, do some sketch work with your Wile E. Coyote skillz, and compare the stencil to your current one. If a certain size of your original design actually covers what you already got, you could get it completely black and it would cover the entire thing.. but of course you’d have to wait a few weeks to let yours heal a bit. In fact, that artist might even fix it up for free for you… if you trust him not to make it even worse.

ArniVidar, I think you saved the day. I got my Acme rocket jet pack tools out of the big wooden crate and went to work. There is the stencil laying on top of the tattoo. The only ink showing is the little blob south of pad 5 and the right side and bottom of pad 1. I put both photos in a browser, each in their own tab and kept switching back and forth between the two. Now check me out on this – the gradient is top to bottom, so as long as pads 3 and 4 get lighter as they extend down, that should work. Pad 2 will gobble up its ink and that gradient can continue to get lighter to the bottom and darker towards center. Pad 5 will have to rotate a wee bit clockwise and get nudged down some. Im not sure what that gradient needs to do. This will be authentic enough because if my dog had shifted his weight a little, it wouldve looked exactly like that.

I wouldve loved to do the fingerprint style, line by line, but I couldnt afford the all that work.

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#112054
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OMG, I cant believe this has turned into such a clusterfuck. Faint isnt a problem, the only mandatory thing is the freakin outline of the pads and the relationship between the 5 shapes. Hell, I was originally gonna do it solid black. Any insight as to how an artist could screw it up this bad? This is the stencil I made to decide on placement and Im as much of an artist as Wile E. Coyote is.

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Sorry for all the stupid questions, I am in shock. My memorial has turned into a mockery.

#112761
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ArniVidar;97330 wrote:
You could try….

In a situation like this, how common is that?

Does using a laser effect how the skin takes the new ink, I mean when its all over, is it noticeable that was done?

#112758
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Well, thats depressing. What a fuckin disaster. How can an experienced, “good” artist make such a gross error? Thats mind boggling. Is it reasonable to at least ask for my money back?

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