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Well Yggdrasil is a pretty simple concept. Knotwork should also be easy to any artist who does great linework. Totally depends on what you actually want, and how you want it done.
Ps; Helps to say which country you’re looking to get tattooed in 😉 I can recommend some stellar Norwegian artist who for sure know Norse mythology, but that might not be of much help 😛
Uh no, this isn’t normal or right. I’m not and have not been an apprentice, but a lot of my friends have been, I used to manage and shop and I’ve been around enough to know what a normal apprenticeship looks like. I’ll give a couple examples;
1) Guy wasn’t a gifted artist to begin with. He had some talent,but very little experience actually making art. So for the first 6-8 months he mainly drew, learned about machines, needles, hygiene and so on. After only a few months he was drawing with a machine, to get used to the weight. Shop knew he needed a part time job, and adjusted his hours so he was able to bartend. After one year he was tattooing clients. After trying fake skin, himself, close friends and so on. This shop didn’t use disposable gear, so obviously he needed to learn all about fixing needles, tubes, sterilizing etc and still to this day has responsibility for that. His apprenticeship was about 3yrs, and once he was tattooing for money, he got 60% of that money.
2) Girl was a VERY talented artist to begin with. Magnificent. This shop only uses disposable gear, and has a professional clean the shop each morning. So no need to spend hours sterilizing and cleaning. She drew, learned about machines, needles etc, and was tattooing real people within 3 months. Seems short, but a lot of apprenticeships these days work that way. Also getting a decent cut of whatever money is made from her tattoos from the get-go.
Most apprenticeships I know of is a combination of these. Some are still bad, with a lack of proper training, leaving them at mediocre tattoo artists at best. Hell, one of the best artists I know had 2-3 “kind of” apprenticeships with a mix of super strict lessons each day and “do whatever you want”, ended up with proper guidance to further her skills, and she’s the BOMB.
So yes; 2 yr apprenticeship is perfectly normal. 2yrs before tattooing? Not getting a cent? NO. She’s been hired as the shop assistent for two years. Without training etc = She’s working for free. You work for the knowledge, but without any knowledge or training, she’s just being taken advantage off.
If I was in the area and able to get it on my leg instead of arm, I’d totally do it. Doesn’t need to be AMAZING, it would be a cool tattoo and story eitherway.
And I’m fairly open, for several of my tattoos I barely had any idea what I was getting until it was started or done :p
1) Try finding a better way to tattoo your travels. It’s too much.
2) Indonesia; Vulcanos, comodo dragons(if you’ve actually seen one) Hungary; Cakes, communist signs, bricks, something from the churches. Singapore; Skysrapers. Sweden; Not the dala horse. There is a LOT more to Sweden than THAT. Chezk republic; Astronomical clock. Vatican; Michelangelo. Spain; Gaudi. Bull/matadore thrown out as whole concept is likely to become illegal soon due to animal abuse.
But aight; All over, it’s too much. If you want to travel more etc, you’ll quickly run out of space. I get travel tattoos, I want one myself soon, as I’ve been to most of these countries and some others. But maybe try to find one(or more) that suits you, represents your passion etc, without setting off your entire body for a canvas of small figurines of countries? I’ve been getting tattooed IN countries that really meant something special to me, but plan on getting things from my travels that hold meaning to me. Not necessarily for each country, but for trips, moments, etc 🙂 Could always do a larger tattoo and incorporate colors of the flags of the different countries.
I have the top of one finger (right between the knuckles) tattooed, and it’s held up very well, besides where I touch it the most.
But here’s the deal; Look at your hands. Inbetween the top of your fingers, and the inside, the skin changes. Like the soles of your feet. Think how dark skinned people can have light skinned palms and under their feet. Get it? Alright. So; Different skin. It regenerates more often due to using it more. Meaning; It doesn’t tattoo quite like the others.
Tattoos in these areas will almost always blow out or fall out. Not necessarily because of the artist, because even amazing artists refuse to do these tattoos for that reason.
Looks great on Rihanna – because she can have it touched up every week if she pleases.
So yeah. The risk is HUGE for experiencing either of these things. Some artists manage to find a way to make it work longer, but no; It won’t look good it 10 years. Probably, not even in a month.
Eagles are super common where I’m from – at leat an 8-10hr flight from the US. Not a US tattoo, unless it’s a bald eagle with a US flag.
And; Eagles were a sign of good luck for vikings. So uh, there’s that.
Get whatever you want. But get it done good!
Depends on your skin kinda. My skin opens up VERY easily; One artist put dots of ink on my skin to see how something would look, not using the needle, machine was off etc, still… the dots are there today, 4 months after 😛 Other tattoos, the skin has closed up nicely and quickly without ink oozing causing trouble. All in all, in my personal experience, it depends. Wait and see. Go back for a touch up if it doesn’t go away. Hard to say without photos!
Looks great! But I am struggling to see where it defines as dotwork…? I get the technique, but it doesn’t look like dotwork at all! 🙂
Eh, thicker lines won’t do much good. Doing them better however, probably would. Straighten out detail, get some shades going on in there to clean it up and even out the lines, done by a GOOD artist, it could turn out good.
Love the linework Chad has going on. His work will probably last for decades! Matt looks to be a great choice for new school, his use of colors is really good!
I actually disagree a bit with some of the earlier comments, but that may be coming from an economics background.
Here’s the deal; If you can make an app, that allows you to video/put in photos from different angles, into a 3D mold, where an artist could EASILY upload their own artwork to see how it would flow with the skin, muscle movements, change size, colors, lines etc (and I will remember and screen shot this if anyone uses it – I expect a large share), then YES it might be something artists would use. Because more and more artists are using ipads, drawing pads etc to do their sketches, not all, but it’s increasing. Especially among the artists with an art degree (which we are seeing more and more off), and the younger ones who more easily use new tech. But, and this is a big but; It would have to be, basically flawless. Using 3D technology, implementing scanned sketches, ones made on a tablet, photos from the web, and so on. Allowing for adjustments, because artists rarely draw a design in full color and in a way that properly visualizes the actual effect on skin, so that both artist and client can value from it.
If you, or anyone else (and remember; I expect my share) develop such a tool? No crowdfunding needed. Tattoo equipment suppliers would want it. Larger networks, communities etc, would want to sponsor it.
But crowdfunding a half-assed, half-teched idea to start up a studio? Come on. It would be easier to learn how to hack credit cards. (Not suggesting that as a viable business endeavor, just saying).
Do one properly, or do none at all. I get it; You have a dream. Studios are hard work. It costs tons to start one. But guess what? If you’re a good enough artist, good enough business man? Not that hard.
And do remember; I will track you down and sew you judge judy style if my ideas come into play without me having a share. Because I DO know how to hack to get money. Aight? (and I’m a joker, best wishes to ya 😉 )
I have a mix of realistic, b&g, full color (mainly), new school, old school, dot work and everything in between. Most comments I get from tattoo enthusiasts? How cool it is that I’m mixing up different styles and making it work. I’d say go for it 🙂 And welcome to the forum!
Don’t stress about doing it in one session. You don’t get used to it (maybe with upper arms etc or high pain tolerance), it gets worse. A lot of people aren’t able to sit for more than 3-4hrs on ribs, perfectly normal. The skin is fairly thin so you feel it in your bones, and not everyone can take that pain for a long amount of time.
But don’t worry about it. You picked a great artist, and even if you do 8hrs at once, you’ll probably need one more session of 1-2hrs to tighten things up.
Pain is individual and you might sit like a champ, but if it’s too painful, just let him know! Sleep well, eat well, bring snacks etc, take breaks if you need to.
The bouncing of bones shouldn’t change the level of saturation or quality, the reason it takes longer is because they need to use more time to make sure it all looks right. Just judging by what he’s told you I can tell he’s very experienced, and that’s a great sign.
I’ve found a few, Eak fulltime seems pretty decent! I wanted to get inked in Myanmar, but that seems way more difficult! Hoping to just come across someone randomly, could make for a good story.
Thanks for the help – I’ll be there for quite a while and check in here once in a while, so let me know if you remember or come across someone! 🙂
I don’t think it’s fair to label the tattooist as a “scratcher” based off such a tiny little tattoo, especially one in a placement known for blow outs… Honestly, a great artist could end up doing something like this, especially if they’re not very experienced with finger tattoos, their mentor wasn’t etc, hell, they may even have had issues with even doing the tattoo in the first place because they knew the risk, but had a customer insist and be willing to take the risk!!
I agree with being honest about bad work, but it’s gone a bit too far in terms of judging and labeling artists as “scratchers” and being horrible, based on tiny amounts of work…