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Who is the original artist and where does he work? Just curious.
Thanks for the reply. Yeah, he is a total doucher, no doubt. That said, I’ll put up w/ buckets of his douche if he’d finish this fucking thing up. He fully understands what I’m looking for better than anybody else I’ve talked to.
Anyway, yeah, I’m having somebody else do the back half of my arm. I totally agree w/ the collector thing. I’m not trying to have one person do all my tats either. I’d prefer to have art from a number of artists I like.
That said, every artist I’ve talked to (locally, not here) has concurred that it’s way out of line to have somebody else touch this tattoo. Everybody pussyfoots around this guy like he’s some sort of tattooing mafioso or something. I can’t help but wonder wtf they all suck his ass.
I’d prefer not to say who this guy is.
Thanks for the reply. If he had a shop I’d go there. The problem is that his studio is a private residence behind a locked gate. He’s never there at any specific time. I know where he lives but just showing up at his house is like, kinda crossing the line.
I guess I don’t need advice on how to handle this guy. I’m more interested in knowing whether or not you consider it wrong to have somebody else finish his tattoo.
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Yeah, that helps a lot dude. My quote is a little longer but I’d go much bigger w/ it. My arm’s probably the same size as that clients arm if not just a little bigger. The outside is tattooed completely and the inside fades from a nice landscape looking scene. Still, if my dude says no then I won’t do it.
I went off and checked my research notes on the issue. I wanted to take a look at the font size of the actress you mentioned.
Your artist is correct that small writing will simply not last the test of time. The problem there is that the font with an 8 or 10 pt will simply blur after approx 10 years.
This is because when the pigment is entered into the skin via the stasis/carrier fluid it is locked into place by scar tissue. The tissue forms in pockets which are invisible to the naked eye and contain hundreds of holes for even a small tattoo letter.
Since you have a foreign body locked into the skin the scar tissue isolates the pigment from entering the blood stream but at the same time your white blood cells mainly granulocytes (like internal sandpaper) and the macrophages are trying to devour the pigment and ‘washes’ the pigment away over a period of 10-15 years. This is the cause of fading.
The membrane of scar tissue also wears thinner allowing the pigment to seep causing a blur effect as the pockets spread.
In order to minimise the risk you would have to go at least a size such as 12pt but most likely a 14pt (or higher is better.
Even at a 14 pt size font you will get some blurring with age it is unavoidable (you can reline and shade but it is a fact all tatts blur esp text ones).
To fit that size of text on to your bicep would mean a need for big arms as the artist may even want to go upto a size 20pt (depends on the style).
That many words is not going to fit well in such a cramped area and would prob require a chest or full arm to spread it out. The closer together the more the blur is noticable.
Kudos to your artist for not taking your money as some are unscrupulous and would say ‘hell yes you can’.
The truth is you can but if you want it to look good and keep it looking good another body location is prob required.
Take care
Matthew
Oh… I didn’t pick up on the piss taking. Over my head I suppose!
Thanks for the advice. My takeaway is to go w/ a font that is 20 pt or larger and find the room for it somewhere else.
Sounds good. Thanks.
I do know the answer – in fact one of my first essays was on cellular degradation and pigmentation blur effects. I spent a lot of time looking how tattoos fade and blur and the min sizes etc to reduce the risk.
However I am not a professional tattooist so good luck in finding your answers.
Take Care
Matthew
Whatever man. If you know then you know. What’s your opinion? Is a quote w/ 16 words going to be too small? Will it degrade too quickly?
I have seen quite a few similar designs on straight males – as they say you get done what pleases you.
I wouldn’t worry a damn about it and they make for great tattoos.
Take Care
Matthew
Right……
It’s cool the way it is. The more elaborate portion of it is amazing, imo. I just wanted a larger bird on my pec, is all.
Update – I texted him the idea and he seems to think it wouldn’t work. Hrm. Oh well…
That’s what I figured. I wanted to ask first here before I asked this dude to do it. Like you said, I basically just want to extend it. The tattooed area isn’t raised that I can tell but there is still a good sized scab because it’s new. I imagined that the texture of the original might show through slightly but I doubt it will be noticable.
The dude who did this tat is expensive and he’s impossible to get a hold of. Maybe after this one is completely finished and healed I’ll just take my idea to another shop locally.